I believe the board was deceived by Satan. But I think it was And anyway, hes fired. Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. Hes a large imposing man. However, MacDonald texted me an invitation to appear with him in a public forum to answer for the many many lies Ive reportedly written about him. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. But, I dont believe I have ever heard anyone say in any of these posts, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. She wanted me to look at it. My spouse and I and many others went to college with James in the eighties in Canada. Subscribe here for Pastor James' twice-weekly email devotionals straight to you inbox, plus occasional updates regarding his ministries, events, and personal news. I dont see that as absolving James McDonald. We had to deal with it. Thats a Tuesday night. And I read all these verses, and we were talking about it. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, whos a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. And so what Id like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. Thanks! That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. pretty rotten.. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. . But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. And lets just, for people who dont know, tell them who Rick Donald is and the position he held and his relation to James McDonald. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. And the things that were done to them after they left. Thats what the weight was. Thank you. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. But it happened to me in the meeting where I raised a couple things and James McDonald is like, I dont remember that. I dont believe God makes mistakes when creating us a certain sex. Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. ARC is one of the largest church planting organizations in North America. Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. Am I characterizing that correctly? Jesus help us. Id read through everything and all the letters. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And if he doesnt, what does that mean in terms of employment at Harvest Bible Chapel? Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? And you then forwarded them to the elder board. And Im just trying to smear him. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. And this was a spiritual battle. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. This is James said what he said. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. And I want to help people lead the church well. 2. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. And I know it was a battle. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. Is that how it went down? harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. . Again, six, absolutely scathing letters. And thats got to be a heavy. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. However as I grew in age and hopefully in wisdom, I consulted other versions of the Bible. I was at work. Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. The headlines really heated up after the December 2018 publication of "Hard Times at Harvest," a lengthy expos by investigative journalist Julie Roys. And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. When Christian leaders continue to teach that abuse does not constitute biblical grounds for divorce they are wrong, Vernick wrote. He further claims Harvests elders crafted false accusations against him as a pure act of vindictiveness to cover the churchs looting of his former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. Who were all shameless self promoters. That was positioned as an attack from the start. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. I wasnt looking forward to that. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. And you got all of them. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. And he said, you know, James Macdonald had requested that I come out to a meeting and he had requested Mike Dunwoody and one other elder Mark Hopwood was a longtime elder from Elgin that we would all join them for a meeting at seven oclock on that Thursday night. It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. God does not value the sanctity of marriage more than the safety and sanity of individuals in that marriage.. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. And I was muted on my phone. The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. Divorce sadly acknowledges the truth. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. Well, youre welcome. Hes a deceiver. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. And I did it. I mean just absolutely devastating stories and, and feeling the pain. Jared Prayed for you just now. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. @jamesmacdonald. So, Julie Roys decided to do what she does best - investigative journalism - in order to find out the truth in the world of m. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. And I got the text. I called him. The whole crooked machine needs to be brought down. The audio recording that the elders reference was aired on popular Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller's show.Muller, once a trusted friend and confidant of MacDonald and also a member of Harvest Bible Chapel, has used his platform recently to call the pastor out on his less-than-exemplary handling of his critics. Tragically . So lets move on to these letters. . Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. On February 13, the elders announced James MacDonald had been fired . If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Still. There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. He should sell cars or computers. And the pain is overwhelming. And everybody had to say, right? He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. And I thought, Oh, my gosh! I pray for the man. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. This wasnt anything else. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . I said, again, please dont do it just because Im asking you. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? 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I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. After you guys. The elder board is still in the dark. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. Great! And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. . But so much else not owned. This is going amongst the elders now. Judson is a top ranked Christian university providing a caring community and an excellent college experience. Pastor James MacDonald. The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where Davids writing. And eventually, and I know you send them with a lot of safeguards, so they couldnt be forwarded. Yet he notes that only a small number of former listeners responded positively. Others, who stumbled by the public deception sent many hateful words.. I look back at those meetings. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. And it became so obvious to be like that that was what it was. Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. Hi. I wish Id never done it. Today the guys share their conversation with journalist, author, and speaker Julie Roys. Julie, are you saying that you support trans mutilation/murder of pre-born children/and are against conservatives? We knew I needed to do it. Like, I cant believe this. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. The Roys Report is a Christian media outlet, reporting the unvarnished truth about what's happening in the Christian community so the church can be reformed and restored. I remember as a young pastor first hearing about James at a 2002 Moody Pastors Conference and reading his well written book on hermeneutics with an apologetic leaning and being blessed from his book. I knew that there were hundreds of people, probably more, that were hurt that all this stuff happened. And I was still on the board. Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively. But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. And Stetzer is a huge, huge part of the crooked machine. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Julie Roys October 8, 2020. It was demonic. If youre truly interested in hearing other views ask why or tell me how you landed there. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. I need to repent. MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. How does this relate to his view of women? If the church wants to regulate marriage, let them say you cant get remarried in their church if you are already married in the eyes of the church. Its impossible to take evangelicals seriously. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. So were in the meeting. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. Thank you for taking the stand that you did. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. to Rick Donald. I didnt know these things were going on, but Im so sorry. I really am so very sick of these self-righteous, insensitive, insulting church leaders who think they are the only ones who have a hardwire connection to God preaching on the subject of wives submit to your husbands while they leave out the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. These were people bringing charges against an elder. Why is that? Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. TRR reached out to Visconti numerous times for comment about his partnership with MacDonald and his provocative social media posts, but Visconti did not respond. ( was spent) That seems pretty straightforward. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. This is this is one of the biggest things elders could do. That would be acceptable teaching. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. I acknowledge my sin to you. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. How do spot a safe pastorand can. God will deal with him. Both are true. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. Its come to this. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? Dan, thank you for being a humble man of God. And had those letters not reach the board, its hard to say where James McDonald would be today. (God) says, the prudent see danger and take refuge. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. So I appreciate it. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? They said no, for various reasons. Hi. This man has been your pastor for decades. And I said, I understand that. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, thats for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! MacDonald is a successful American religious entrepreneur. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. And when I read that, I just shook my head. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. Wow! Tell me about that meeting and what he did. The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. This isnt phrased to have constructive conversation. James MacDonald Suspends New Home Church Network Julie Roys September 29, 2020 Seven months after launching a Home Church Network (HcN) for those who "struggle to get to church or to stay in church," former celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, is suspending the program. He is not a pastor. Like so many other cradle to present churched people, all I ever knew was the KJV Bible. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. Yeah. Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. Can you share what was in it? Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . And that would have been right before you came back on the board. Hes asking for money. Because I believe in the church. And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. Yes, and I would add that baked into the command for husbands to love their wives is the definition of love in 1 Corinthians 13. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvests history. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. It was the elders failure. You could tell where it was headed probably. It was a Wednesday or Thursday night on the Rolling Meadows campus. Any update on the James MacDonald vs Harvest debacle? Im Julie Roys. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. And again, this was on the churchs dime. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Guard your heart and keep it diligentlyfor from it flows the content of your life. Were supposed to approve this budget, and we dont even have a line item. According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. Shame on you for reading scripture! Anne Green, who is married, alleged that MacDonald touched her inappropriately on a private plane in 2005. Very loyal to James McDonald. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. And we already know the answer: the men are in charge no matter what and despite their failings and abuses. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. What what were you thinking? Our marriage improved incredibly after we both agreed that neither one of us was Jesus. Right? And I sat and prayed. So I asked the other elders, I said, I need to repent. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. Thankfully, I had headphones on. Because again, that was one letter that never got published and the contents, other than what Ron Duitsman said in his recent video because he actually referenced that letter. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. You cant unconditionally support anybody. But like I said, Hes really working hard to rewrite history. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. And when I look back at it, thats what I think. She declined. It wasnt an easy thing to do. The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. So walk us through the drama of that weekend, James McDonald trying to save his job. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. If you find yourself unaware of And I know its cost you personally. Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, . I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. You can review it. 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