In other words, by censoring and suppressing individuals like me who are contributing to the Mormon marketplace of information, the church is demonstrating A total time span of a year and a half. 98 votes, 33 comments. points, I'm in turn helping to sufficiently and completely answer your questions. But in this case, much of that emphasis on correct and predictable procedure seems to have gone right out the window. Quitmormon.com has already had 913 submissions of resignation in the time since Sam's announcement barely a day ago. I have done nothing wrong. Again, it is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. If you do plan a council on March Regarding my membership in the Church and feelings regarding its leaders: My membership in the Church is valuable and important to me. Its like even the witnesses were pre-excommunicated out of communication, out of sight, out of the protection of the Church Handbook. translation from papyri. against me. Truth in Church History. This This essay statement directly contradicts the statement found in the Book of Abraham: "The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus." Your past communication is not clear and opens the possibility that you desire to cancel the meeting and move our conversation to email/writing. On Sunday, I will be tried in . be unable to receive and sign any certified mail. Attached in PDF are my complete answers and rebuttals to your questions and accusations. Runnells' response to Ivins' above March 6, 2016 @ 8:19pm email is the following 11:45pm email (screenshot). meeting.". complete and full confidence in my interpreter to get it right. The only reason why cesletter.org exists is because I needed a centralized place to be able to provide my defense and responses to the various personal CES Letter Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization whose mission it is to liberate and empower doubting LDS individuals and mixed-faith marriages. At the time I was presented with a choice: Allow FairMormon to continue to unfairly and dishonestly publicly tarnish my name, integrity and character but to threaten my membership instead. On February 8, 2016 Ivins reversed his decision and informed Runnells of his disciplinary council scheduled for February 14, 2016. You tried again by announcing the now cancelled March 20th court on me without talking to me. In 1841 the Mormons published a poem which stated "Or Book of Mormon not his word, because denied by Oliver". This is especially true in light of my verbal and written promise and willingness to For the convenience of the reader, all links on this page opens in a new window. half. I will begin by adding in some quotes from past LDS leaders and prophets to help drive home these fundamental points. He never responded as promised. Excommunication, more recently termed a person's Church membership withdrawn, is a disciplinary process used only in extreme situations. President, I wrote the following in my November 2, 2014 letter to you: "It is my position that if the Church seeks to remove my membership, it is committing a grotesque injustice by punishing me for sharing the truth, most of This letter is my formal resignation from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and it is effective immediately. It mostly deals with historical issues surrounding the time of the founding of the LDS Church in the 1820s and 1830s, although it does talk about more modern issues as well. I just wanted the truth. If the point of excommunication is to purify the ranks by getting rid of a few prominent people the church views as bad apples, it too often alienates others, the people in the middle. We had a gentleman's agreement over the phone when you called to meet on March 15th and you have now backed from your word by holding a disciplinary Cherish your doubts. Runnells received a phone call from Ivins himself a little past noon. Jeremy Runnells: Great. It just feels As of Thursday, more than 200 health-care professionals signed a letter to the stake president saying they are concerned that withdrawing Helfer's membership will create a culture of stigma and. interested media, along with supporters of Runnells, are invited to attend and show support. I am supportive of them and their desires to attend Church on Sunday. There will still be work to be done in clearing out the cobwebs of control from your mind but that theme is the most empowering one upon which to do so. I believe that members and investigators deserve to have all of the facts and information on the tableto be able to make a fully-informed and balanced decision as to whether or not they want to commit their hearts, minds, time, talents, income and lives to Mormonism. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My meeting. The first two how do they differ and who is ones membership changed? This is a story about how the Mormon Church treated Jeremy T. Runnells - who had questions and concerns about LDS Church truth claims - in its multiple attempts to intimidate, silence, censor, and excommunicate him. 20 times. Runnells - Just checking to see if anything has changed in your schedule that we could meet sometime this week. This pattern of applying 20th century censorship and control tactics in a 21st century social media connected world is Pasted as rich text. Church members can be excommunicated if they apostatize from church teachings. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". additional information which facilitates holding a Stake Disciplinary Council in your behalf. I needed time to prepare for an ASL interpreter for our meeting. All of these recordings and documentations are listed below and are released to the public. Former bishop for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Sam Young, reads his excommunication letter after he protested the Church's one-on-one worthiness interviews with young children . "[3][13][14] Utah news station KUTV pointed to a survey that 57% of LDS Church members were troubled by high profile excommunications like Runnells, including 43% of temple recommend holders. There are thousands and thousands of members who are struggling to get answers from the church to its foundational A person who is excommunicated is no longer a member of the Church. It contains the summons letter from William H. Reeder Jr., the president of the New England Mission, for her to appear before the bishop's court and his cryptic, one-line excommunication proclamation 26 days later. I believe President J. Reuben Clark when he said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation. Also, the confidential nature of our meeting Saints and it is effective immediately. court letter. No interpreter was present in the room. As my interpreter is a professional interpreter, he is bound by confidentiality so I have zero concerns. issues threatening the church's foundational truth claims, many of which are confirmed and verified in the church's essays. following snippet: Immediately after you read "persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after they have been corrected by their bishop or higher authority," I immediately responded by stating to you repeatedly: "I am asking you to correct me and you are not correcting me.". I would like to meet "After carefully and prayerfully considering this matter," the letter states, "it was the decision of the council to withdraw your church membership in response to conduct contrary to the law and. there to answer/rebut your accusation once again: It is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. "okay" and the phone call was over. The church's essays are discrediting the church. I was extremely alarmed and disturbed by your actions on the week of February 8th with your claim that newly "additional information" demanded a I have never once actively promoted or marketed the CES Letter or cesletter.org on any paid media (PPC, Banner Displays, Billboards, Mailings, etc.). 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"[23], In 2018, when Lars Nielsen published confidential documents about the investment fund of the LDS Church, he titled his work, "Letter to an IRS Director" in homage to the "Letter to a CES Director" written by Runnells. The very next morning President Ivins emailed Runnells to inform him that the Valentine's Day disciplinary council was rescheduled for March 20, 2016. In some cases he may say that he wants them to partake of the sacrament, give a prayer, etc. changed. The LDS church announced that Elder James Hamula had been released from his role in the church's leadership "following church disciplinary action." It does not store any personal data. confirm about the March 15th meeting with the following 3:04pm email (screenshot): Can you confirm that our meeting on Tuesday, March 15th @ 7:30pm in your office is still on? People of all faiths and perspectives are welcome to engage in civil, respectful discussion about topics related to Mormonism. murder and place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, wife beaters, and child molesters through the archaic, barbaric, and un-Christlike use of publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website.". These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. They are unofficial men with unofficial pet theories and unofficial claims that the LDS Church Runnells stated that he would be happy to meet with Ivins on March 15, 2016. Updating the CES Letter FairMormon even lists more issues than the CES Letter does. All of them promised answers or to find answers only to never respond back. listeners to "know the content in these essays like you know the back of your hand.". The easiest way to be excommunicated from the LDS religion is to have a liberal interpretation of LDS doctrine. Brigham Young was wrong about Adam being God, for claiming it was received by revelation, and for introducing this false doctrine into the veil of the You've read 0 of 5 of todays most popular posts. ", "The honest investigator must be prepared to follow wherever the search of truth may lead. It is 100% man-made from beginning to end. My wife will not be attending but I will be bringing an ASL interpreter to ensure that I understand 100% of everything that is said in our meeting. essay admits and disavows as "theories" originated by racist Brigham Young in 1852. the Brethren are very concerned about" and he promised that he would provide a response. be more open." Fox 13 did a piece on Runnells and the event: Runnells hilariously gets job proposal from LDS Church. Witnesses who prepared testimony to help defend Natasha Helfer in her church court but were denied entrance into the building. Regardless, I'm happy to provide you answers to your questions in your email sent to me on March 6, 2016. It was done in a way that was a business approach to a soul who had been educated since primary (Mormon school for children on Sundays) th. Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lords commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. A doorkeeper sits inside the chapel of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He was called to be a stake high counsellor. The probations can simply be with the Bishop and at his discretion without a court, and even with out the counselors being made privy of what is going on (except after the fact, and even then he is not bound to tell them what the offense was, simply that they have had an action occur). Truth in Church History. 1. 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